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Sad state of Chaweng

  • Published: 9/02/2010 at 12:00 AM
  • Newspaper section: News

I agree with your correspondent ("Sleepless in Samui," PostBag, Feb 8) that the island's infrastructure has improved considerably under the new mayor. However, he draws the wrong conclusion from his analysis of the noise pollution issue.

What he describes as the ''sad state of Koh Samui'' should actually be the sad state of Chaweng beach - the rest of the island is just fine - and thankfully unaffected by noisy night clubs and irksome peddlers.

MAENAM MARK

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Not ready for nuclear

How can a country, with corruption as a mode of everyday life, even consider thinking about building nuclear power plants? The GT200s for 550,000,000 baht purchased before it was tested: incompetence? Without a doubt. And Map Ta Phut... an environmental nightmare, and Thailand considers building NPPs.

The country is an environmental disgrace, with trash thrown everywhere, trash burned, rice fields and roadside brush burned on a daily basis. Construction debris dumped in remote areas or even on major roads.

The sad scenario is that not one politician, responsible company or individual will stand up and say, ''Every citizen has a responsibility to make the environment healthy.'' And nobody has the vision to step forward and speak out!

RFCM

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Autonomy won't work

Once again we read Dom Dunn expounding his wisdom. Recently he suggested that the government could reduce the two-year prison sentence imposed by the courts on Thaksin when that is within the power of the courts, not the government. Were that to happen, it would be another example of politicians controlling the law, which is why Thaksin was convicted in the first place.

Now Mr Dunn praises the suggestion by Chandler Vandergrift that the South could become an autonomous region of Thailand. It is common knowledge who the insurgents are who are disrupting the peace and where they come from. Bearing this in mind, one cannot compare the success of autonomy elsewhere in the world with the proposed autonomy in the South. For these people, autonomy would only be the start, the thin end of the wedge. The objective is sovereignty, as the very same people have declared their aim in the UK and elsewhere.

A short-term fix would become a long-term disaster. A stand has to be made against the intended tyranny with which the world is currently faced. I refer Mr Dunn to the affair currently taking place in the Netherlands. Appeasement is a weakness and will never achieve peace.

J C WILCOX

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Solution for temple row

The dispute between Thailand and Cambodia over Preah Vihear reminds me of the squabbling between two spoiled children, but unfortunately, unlike when children fight, this squabble has had deadly consequences.

The facts are that the temple belongs to Cambodia and access to the temple is through a 4.6sqkm tract of scrub controlled by Thailand but whose ownership is disputed by Cambodia.

There is a very simple solution to the problem in which both countries win and that is to establish an International Park jointly controlled and run by both governments, with funding from the two countries.

This park would be open to all and would not be militarised. This way citizens of all nations would have access and enjoy the benefits.

The only losers would be the politicians and the generals who no longer would have an excuse to continue doing what they have been doing.

There is a precedent for an International Park, such as the Waterton-Glacier International Peace Park in Canada/USA.

EDWARD J ROSS

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  • Mr. Mildew

    Discussion 16 : 10/02/2010 at 09:28 PM16

    dom dunn; I read most of the British newspapers online everyday. I read the trash tabloids and the serious ones too. Unfortunately, and I mean that, there is every day reporting of people taking advantage, and yes the stupid British government in power at the moment have allowed this to happen. But that does not make those who take advantage any less guilty.

    Please spend some time researching this subject if you are going to comment on it. What I reported about Abu Hamza and the likes of him is the tip of the iceberg. And yes the reporting is not representative of the behavior of all immigrants, but enough for the British public to be sick to the back teeth of it all.
    I believe I not racist, my wife is in fact Indian (I'm British). But the ongoing situation of abuse and milking of the UK welfare system and radical Muslims holding hate marches against the UK whilst most of them are not working and receiving benefit (paid for by British taxpayer) has got out of control. The UK welfare system, for those that don’t know, translates to free housing, free electric, gas and money to feed and clothing for immigrants and their kids with a bit left over. And free education and health care. Some are living in 4 to 6 bedroom houses worth millions of pounds whilst the average Brit has had their usual standard of living cut to the minimum because of the strain of immigrant welfare budget gone out of control.
    Just recently radical Muslims are even trying to hold anti British army marches targeting towns that are receiving our war dead, it has gone too far. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. I'm afraid that the real racists now have enough fuel to brainwash our youth and the UK is going to explode with violence and the innocent immigrants will suffer also.

  • dom dunn

    Discussion 15 : 10/02/2010 at 04:59 PM15

    Mr Mildew.

    The tabloid press report these stories as if they are every day occurances, and try to suggest that they are representative of the behaviour of immigrants in general.


    As to immigrants cheating the benefit system, the only case you mention is Abu Hamza and I am not aware that he has been accused of benefit fraud, but I haven't followed his case closely. If he has not made false claims, then your complaint should be against the 'generosity' of the benefit system, not against the recipients.

  • Mr Mildew

    Discussion 14 : 10/02/2010 at 01:31 PM14

    Dom Dunn; I don't understand how you can label a newspaper racist for printing stories about immigrants taking the British democracy and it’s welfare system for a ride or pushing their religious beliefs onto others in misappropriate ways.

    If you had read the story I quoted about a Muslim bus driver who pulled his bus over and begins praying in the aisle, then you would have understood that the passengers were terrified believing that this man was about to blow up the bus. Radical Muslims have already blown up buses and trains in the UK, so how is it racist or Islamophobic to report the story?

    The other story I mentioned was about a Christian teacher who was forced out of his job after complaining that Muslim pupils as young as eight hailed the September 11 hijackers as heroes. How is that racist? Do you believe that the story shouldn't be told? 8 year old kids wanting to be Islamic bombers when they grow up. With the story told then maybe the problem of Muslim youngsters in the UK being brain washed to kill non Muslims might be tackled.

    And as for your assertion that I am racist and Islamophobic; I am not racist, just fed up with immigrants taking the British welfare system for a ride. Radical cleric Abu Hamza, an Egyptian national was jailed for seven years in February 2007 for inciting murder and stirring up racial hatred in the UK. His family, meanwhile, has been living in a £600,000 council house provided by the taxpayer while claiming benefits.

    Islamophobic? No, I’m not against Muslims or Islam; I have worked in the UAE, Oman, Qatar and Pakistan and made very good friends with my Muslim colleagues. Radical-Islamophobic? Yes very much so because Islam has been hijacked by radicals and are reeking havoc all over the World in the name of Islam. If I was a shopkeeper in the UK and a black clad fully covered Muslim came into my shop I would be very worried and/or scared because I would not know if it was a peaceful Muslim or a radical. This is not my fault, it is the radicals fault.

    As for the south of Thailand, my warning is that the radical Muslims there will see that any step towards autonomy will be seen as a victory and reward for the violence they have inflicted on the non Muslims. As J C Wilcox states; it will be seen as appeasement and a weakness.

    You state that if the locals become part of the process of government, they automatically become the ENEMIES of the insurgents. I’m not sure if I agree but anyway, because of the lack of security those that are seen to be doing anything to undermine the insurgents will surely be beheaded, burnt or blown up.

  • dom dunn

    Discussion 13 : 10/02/2010 at 08:37 AM13

    Mr Mildew.

    You must make a distinction between the people of the south and the insurgents. The insurgents (probably, no one is quite clear) want independence, but I know of no evidence that the local people do.

    Autonomy is not designed to appease the insurgents, I can tell you now, they will reject it out of hand. Autonomy is proposed to meet the wishes of the local people for greater control of their government. If the locals become part of the process of government, they automatically become the ENEMIES of the insurgents.

    Your assertion that one can find evidence to support you unpleasant racist and Islamophobic views " in any and all British newspapers on any given day", is absurd. You will not find this type of racism in The Guardian, The Independent or The Observer.

    M Baringtor. All these experiments need time, I would say a minimum of twenty years. The experiment in Ache in Sumatra, seems to be doing quite well.

  • Mr Mildew

    Discussion 12 : 10/02/2010 at 12:35 AM12

    Lefty Phil,read any and all British newspaper on any given day and you will see that many immigrants, especially Muslims are taking the British democracy for a ride.

    Most do not try to fit in to the values of the country they have moved to but try to push their values on their new neighbors whilst pocketing hard earned tax payers money and contributing nothing. This is not hate filled, it is the truth. My Muslims friends? they share the same view.

    What has this got to do with the south of Thailand? Well for a start the radical Muslims are killing people almost every day, don't you read the news? If they let the radical Muslims get a foot in then they will have the same problems.

    Anyway Lefty Phil, I feel you are commenting just for something to do as your statement has no substance. You didn't even notice that I stated "I have many Muslim friends and they are against these people who call themselves Muslims but are not because of their actions"

  • Lefty Phil

    Discussion 11 : 09/02/2010 at 10:11 PM11

    Mr Mildew - Where did you get your highly spurious evidence of "Muslims pushing the limits" from?
    Is it the same hate-filled newspaper which once carried the headline "Hurrah for the blackshirts" and makes equally ridiculous (and often hypocritical) comments most days?
    And how exactly do the two headlines you've given provide any useful purpose when considering the delicate situation of southern autonomy? Perhaps only that they provide amusement for those who can think critically.
    Finally, what do your many Muslim friends think of your opinions?

  • Darrell BANG RAK

    Discussion 10 : 09/02/2010 at 09:26 PM10

    Maenam Mark Bang Rak is a nasty Bar scene with loud bars.... I and my family and many other homes have the same problem with Loud bars.... The police dont care.... The Mayor Dose Not care about Bang Rak and the loud Bars... Still No Gutters or side walks or lights pass 7-11 Promised for years..... Corrupts and nasty taxi drivers ripping off Everybody...... The Mayor dose Not care.....

  • Mr Mildew

    Discussion 9 : 09/02/2010 at 07:37 PM9

    Dom Dunn; what Mr Wilcox means by it is "common knowledge" who the insurgents are, is that it is radical Muslims and Muslim groups linked to Al Qaeda.

    And he is correct that autonomy would only be the start, the thin end of the wedge. Look at the state of the World's countries that have appeased Muslims.
    Just look at the state of UK, everyday news full of Muslims pushing the limits.
    Just todays headlines in UK; 1)Christian teacher 'forced out' after complaining Muslim pupils praised 9/11 hijackers 'as heroes'.

    2) Passengers left stunned after Muslim bus driver pulls over and begins praying in the aisle.

    Don't give them an inch because they are always wanting that inch through violence.

    I am not anti Muslim, I have many Muslim friends and they are against these people who call themselves Muslims but are not because of their actions. I am anti radical Muslim who call themselves Muslim but go out and kill, maim and terrorize in the name of Allah as an excuse to get what they want, usually in another nations country.

    It is not anti Muslim phobia I am citing but true facts. Look at the state of Kosovo now, full of crime and violence and the west helped this to happen.

    These guys are beheading Monks, teachers, farmers and anyone just to push their cause, which is to take over and make a Muslim state with Sharia law.
    Thailand must not give an inch to these psychopaths, not even a millimeter. Old saying about radical Muslims; offer them a hand and they will rip your arm off!
    Mr. Mildew

  • Mike Barringtor

    Discussion 8 : 09/02/2010 at 06:38 PM8

    @Dom Dunn: To set up an autonomous fiefdom within a country where the rule of law is weak and corrupted, where social injustice is endemic, and where corruption itself is the apotheosis of the mindset of many of its citizens -- would be a disaster.

    Time and again the results of this type of social experiment are disastrous, leading to chronic misery and gruesome events such as the massacre in Maguindanao in the southern Philippines (as one recent example).

    What history shows is that the worst villains become the new administrators and their henchmen become their enforcers. And the locals get fed to the wolves.

    Mr. Wilcox’s reasoning here is clear, so perhaps the issue is more about the powers of reasoning. Regardless, in this matter, J C Wilcox is right and Mr. Dunn is wrong.

  • Schote

    Discussion 7 : 09/02/2010 at 03:39 PM7

    evrything's about greed which is controlled by a group of people,who are sharing the (money ) power.

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